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Submitted by Tammy on September 7, 2003 - 5:17am.
Would someone please post a comprehensive list of products sold in America that you know are French products? Of course, I know about French wine, but I know there are lots more things imported from France that aren't as clearly labelled. Thank you.
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Who could argue with that?
Although a week in Paris at Christmas was worth the travel troubles
Wanna see the online photos?
CRC
crc95: That was quite a performance by the French bomb/explosives/police and Air France a couple of days ago. Do they have an encore? Donerail
It might be easier if the Moderator posted the question as a permanent fixture followed by the LAST posts at the top. That way new forum members could see which way the wind is blowing rather than reply to a question whose time has come and gone.
Also, is there a time for a question to die a natural death? Obviously if no one replies, it disappears but on this forum people like to get into personal mudslinging fights and drag these things on forever. The fact that the default is the "oldest" post at the top doesn't help because new people have no idea what is currently happening on a particular question . . . in this case, nothing intelligent!
At any rate, it is delightful to see someone who writes well, speaks excellent English and takes the trouble to discuss the subject rather than attack the posters. Welcome JS and do join us.
Of course you have the freedom to select which products you wish to purchase and which you do not. However, to select which products you wish to purchase on the basis of a nation agreeing or disagreeing with your nation is pretty unbelievable. Fortunately the French (and Europeans) are somewhat more mature in their attitudes and there has been virtually none of this "boycott" talk in Europe. I find it surprising when one hears such attitudes from (presumably) an American citizen to find others asking "where/why is there a rift". This question actually (in part) answers the other questions.
France felt war was not necessary at the time Mr Bush wanted to start one. It said so. It was subsequently proved right. It was subsequently proved that evidence the US and UK presented to the UN was flawed. France (Germany and Russia) has been proved correct in their attitude.
If America wants to be a great nation it needs to start behaving like one and not like a bunch of spoilt children who cannot tolerate different opinions. I appreciate that this is a very sweeping statement and clearly does not apply to all Americans. However, those it does apply to are somewhat vocal and are presenting quite an image to the rest of the world.
A country needs to win the admiration and respect of other countries rather than to try to force it through aggression and military capability. The current attitudes America is presenting to the world are not doing it any favours.
It is worth noting that, had the French, German and Russian politicians been listened to, many people would not have been needlessly killed (including many American soldiers).
It is also worth noting that when talking about veto?s and ignoring Security Council resolutions in the UN:
1. the country that has used it power of veto most often: US (followed by the UK)
2. the country that has ignored most UN Security Council Resolutions: Israel
CRC
Somehow it tastes better in France though. Must be the ambience.
Parisian type one. Wow, what fine relationships having
coffee each morning in the Gare Est... oh well... I guess it's
back to the drawing bored....lol... (way to go Donerail).
But apparently you decided to not hold on to our secret agreement and now I'm very disappointed with you.
CRC
CRC
So, are you going to HK and the Philippines to get reloaded with those *meds* of yours ?? Wow that should be one helluva ... trip !
CRC
I can still afford. I have been planning a trip to Hong Kong and north half of the Philippines. I finally got it all done and paid for, using United Airlines chiefly and not just what Orbitz or Expedia gives me.
I will reread my bizarre diatribe, then delete it...
Donerail
the Cite Univeristy.... founded by Pasteur and subsidized by
the fears of Danny the Red in Paris, In Place du Concorde,
In haiti
In Tulare County California
IN Hawaii by Mr. Inoyue and in the Senate by poor Mrs. Snowe.
I am truly ashamed of My county today, and apologize for most of them....and more than Half of them in Fresno Country California...
Yes I am lucky to see the SalB scanner on the back of a United 777,
and yes I am lucky to get Reagan Scholarships or Pelt grants at
STandford, Berkeley or MarioSavio College of Hard Knocks allocated NOT by Marie Curie or the Aristocratic bread maker in MSO.
Thank heaven for Seven Eleven in Chicago...near the MRT, Near L
Near lights passed on everywhere when the Moon is Niente de Speciale
Saturn or Peugeut 407 in Bleu..... there's more class in my aunt evelyn's little Finger than in all the Tea in........ in......
uhhhh.... Sri Lanka?.....
how wonderfully eloquent that was! i wish everybody here could see what you see
come out very often. The French are very serious and complex people.
They LOVE to argue and debate politics and the like. They are not violent though, I have never had a Frenchman accuse me of trying to start WW111, as you seem to be preoccupied with. I have had many a French joke translated to me and they just are not funny. This well
could be a languge thing. Now you English, theres some people with a sense of humor. I will tell you a joke an English man once told me
In heaven all the cooks are french, the engineers are german, the lovers are italian, the police are english and its all organized by the swiss. In hell all the cooks are english, the
engineers are french , the lovers are swiss, the police are german and its all organized by the italians.
sorry if you have already heard!
Let me add mine to the French response you've had.
I am English and you might think, if you lived over here, that I would be biased in your favour because of our traditional rivalry with the French ... but the humour you cannot find is probably because the humour of the French is so subtle and it may be that it goes over your head. My French aquaintances are good fun so no contest I am afraid.
You've beed answered about the wine but I have to add that the choice in France is so vast I cannot understand why it would matter that you could not find an Alsace bottle in another region.
As for wanting Mexican food well that's a pretty poor criticism alongside the wealth of fine cuisine available.
Finally go through French history and you will find richness and culture that you could probably not imagine. They have a literary heritage that you probably could not understand. And they have a language that probably leaves you speechless.
It's really so easy to be a cheap critic but I hope no one is taking you seriously ... I only hope that with your sense of humour you are not taking yourself seriously either.
try going to Monoprix or Nicolas for wine in france. and YES, you CAN find alsacian wine in those locations in provence..but you probably didn't try looking..you just complained instead.
and yes, the french DO have a sense of humor. they have to, to put up with the likes of you when you go to france.
order to provide the BEST service you need the best products, no matter where they come from. For business and pleasure, americans just want the best. From washers and dryers to farm implements most
of us want the better European designs. Some would argue that then forigners then get all the money, but all they usually do with it is invest it back in USA.
Yes food is better in France, but it is far to specialized for me, I
prefer the variety available here. Try to find a Mexican restaurant
in France. In the market try and find a good bottle of California wine
hell when I have been in southern France i can't even find a bottle
of Alsatian wine!
As far as history goes, Europeans must realize that we are you. America is what happens when your oppressed people are suddenly
released in a world rich in resources.
Also, you forgot the most important thing we have that the French
lack, a sense of HUMOR!
European countries are steeped in it and our cultures and behaviours are embedded from centuries of experience. And that may also be part of the reason we can manage our cross border relationships even after holocausts.
America benefitted considerably from the determination and commitment of immigrants and has grown strong in a relatively short period through sheer hard work.
Sadly this thrust to be big and strong also means dominance which many Europeans find daunting and overwhelming. Despite this we are all welcoming to Americans when they visit our countries who we usually find to be warm friendly people.
I would suggest going back to my earlier point about listening more; I am sure this would be valuable and enhance even further our good relationships.
La Vieille Branche, whats the matter do you find the issue of French anti-semetism uncomfortable? And what about those million of Alsatians you state fled France, did they have that little faith in the French governments ability to protect them that they had to go to
barbaric America? I thought the French never leave France.
I agree all counties have good things and bad things, but to most people on this forum, France has all the good, America all the bad.
Unfortunatly, from my personel experiances with the French this type
of jingoistic, simplistic nationalism has been going on far longer then the Iraq thing. French people seem to sweep any bad news about France under the rug. Young people today don't even know about
French follies in Vietnam and Algeria. The French should follow
the German example and confront their mistakes and deal with them openly.
For Christopher,who said anything about WWIII? Do not presume to know my suffering! Remeber, I live in barbaic, gun toting America!
As a final thought, I am glad you all seem to be over the whole name calling thing!
if you need more info on it, send me an email!
when the allies got to paris, the germans had already packed up and left...you know why? the french resistance! the resistance had driven the germans OUT of paris before the aliies arrived.
were the french happy to see allies? sure! look at the old movie footage of french women kissing american men! but things went SOUR right after that when american men started treating parisiennes like whores and thought of paris as some playground instead of what it was..a starving city, with the population already having endured years of devrivation and hunger. YOU live on only rutebagas for a few years and see how YOU like it.
the germans were TERRIBLE to resistance members they caught. they had built an underground bunker in the old french mining tunnels (13th arrond, i think) and that was where they kept resistance fighters. That is where the resistance fighters were tortured by the german army before they were killed.
resistance members had their meetings in the catacombs, where the underground cemetaries were. the germans were too superstitious to enter the area where the bones lay!
it is unfortunate that american history books barely mention this in the chapters on ww2. if more americans saw BOTH sides of what happened, maybe we all could learn to understand each other and get along. I have a friend who was a child in GERMANY during ww2 and what she described during wartime was absolutely terrible. it's too bad we dont hear more of these other sides, of what happened to others during the war.
There is more to history than the ALLIES. france and germany made peace years ago, it's time for america to do the same.
Maxpower: You read a lot more into my post than what I wrote. I stated that oppressed people have to cope in any way possible with their oppressor. How you interpret that to mean that I stated that the French people were collaborationists with the Nazis is amazing to me. That truly would be an insult to the French and I would never do that. The fact that the Europeans are becomming economically and socially united is beneficial to the whole world. The fact that France is a leader in that regard is a tribute to the French. Donerail
I was born during WW2 and lived with the aftermath having had neighbours bombed and lives destroyed in my own country - in England. I lived very close to London.
I dread to think what the French went through and would rather not keep raking up misguided history.
There is plenty I could say about GIs in the UK but it is not all bad or all good.
How very saddened I am that, in what should be an enlightend age, we can still virtually start WW3 on the internet.
Despite all my knowledge it is still very little in the mix of a major international conflict the like of which has never been seen since.
I could not presume to lecture to a Frenchman whose family lived through the horror; and I also feel very sorry for the millions of Germans in whose name the atrocity was committed.
Shame that we cannot listen to another man's story and not try to understand, rather than try to correct him.
Why do we not, instead, ask him questions and try to learn more from his perepective? Or do we presume to be experts and want to shout down all those with a different position.
Shame on those who condemn but never had the first hand experiences to truly appreciete what was really going on.
Have you ever heard of Jean Moulin? He was a resistance member who
certianly would not "cope in any way" when faced with true evil.
There truly where many more like him that would be appaulled at your
statment. I said that 60% collaberated, I did NOT say I agreed with
them, as you apperantly do. In one of your posts you summerize WWII
by stating Allied forces had to "go thru" France to get to Germany,
but you stop short of saying they liberated the French. I call that an
insult to all Allied soldiers. Whether it was their main intent or not
they DID liberate the French. Thousand of Americans, British,Poles,
Candians and French died on the Western front yes to defeat Hitler,
but there was a little by-product called LIBERTY for all in their
path.
For Tammy, I do not subscribe to any boycott, its foolish to not buy
French or go out of your way to buy French. Between France and usa,
we should all just buy what what suits our needs best.
Get with the times! By the way, thank YOU for proving my point,
that the FRENCH prefered the German NAZIs occupation over the Allies.
I guess many French could identify with all that racial quackery and
Jew hating stuff. Do not fret! It is my belief that the future name of the E.U. will be the Fourth Reich. The Germans are just waiting for the right man.
How did POLAND deport its jews? they were taken over by GERMANY!
you say that many french didn't see the allies as liberators...no kidding! just ask my family in Bischwiller! the ones who had to give "hospitality" to those wonderful "liberators." thank you for proving my point
..as the song says...."how ya gonna keep them back on the farm, after they've seen paree..(ww1 song)"
i never boycotted french products, by the way, i went out of my way to buy FRENCH all this time
How did the Germans manage to deport all of its jews and draft ethnic Germans. Try reading "The Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sajer. He was one
of those ethnic germans. Have you ever heard of the Alsatian Twelve?
That was one trial the French would rather forget, but quite revealing.Also rember that French civilians in any part of france did not always see the allies as liberators, many prefered the Germans.
Allied commanders knew this and comat troops where told to expect only 40% cooperation from french civilians.
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